dearmrsawyer:

SGU | one gifset per episode

1x10 → “Justice

samswritingtips:

The basics of eye shapes for writers.

My sources are probably better than I am (more photos, longer descriptions), so here they are: [x] [x]

cerviceps:

I also found this $5 toothless figurine at target and it was already pretty cute but I went “how can I make this even cuter

here’s what the original toothless figurine looked like, pre-painting (I forgot to take before pics so here’s a picture of it from amazon). I also filled in some gaps in his tail with epoxy putty and sanded his edges a little.

DUDE WHAT KIND OF PAINT DID YOU USE? HOW DID YOU SAND THE EDGES? CAN YOU MAKE A TUTORIAL? WHERE DO YOU GET EPOXY PUTTY? IS THAT HARD TO WORK WITH?

wildninjapanda:

the-oxford-english-fangirl:

flux—and—flow:

biohazardgirl:

flux—and—flow:

WAIT I ACCIDENTALLY DELETED MY WHOLE RESPONSE HANG ON
Oh yeah oh yeah it was always DARK (hell i like dark things too!!! they just have to be done with a certain conscientiousness you know?) but i feel it def changed after the original ending (i think that was ch 11?) and got very twisted and dark.
my original response was a bit longer, that was my mistake i accidentally deleted it opps, lemme think. yeah i dunno i feel like EVERYONE blindly loves it, you know? the fic itself doesn’t really deal with the dark stuff well, it fetishizes mental instability at times, and the codependency is really AWFUL, and the whole thing feels really OOC to me - i can’t remember the last time it felt remotely IC. i get that it’s some kinda AU at this rate, i just don’t understand why it exists? with THESE characters?
the thing is that, i’m afraid that it’s going to start moving into fanon territory, and like, this is my favorite fandom, and these are NOT the characters, and no one else posts about he fact that it triggers the fuck outta them, that i know for a fact that this fic legitimately DISTRESSES people who weren’t expecting it to be as messed up as it is, and no one else speaks out about it, so FINE I WILL i’m tired no not saying anything.
i’m not trying to be really disrespectful and i hope that i can discuss this with people in a way that still gets my points across. thanks for even considering my opinion!! you’re a smart person and i’ve really respected a lotta things you’ve said on this site, and thanks for taking the time to try to see it from my POV. i honestly do have a bit of a problem with articulation sometimes, so please, open call for anyone who feels they need me to explain them a thing better, just ask, i’ll try. I’ll do aLL THE THING
everyone who follows me knows i analyze the HELL outta everything, there’s not a thing on earth i don’t over analyze, so ofc i’m gonna see it from a diff perspective than most, and certainly, than a fan, its just…….its a piece of literature like anything else and i think that its legitimate to say you wanna analyze it, and that it’s troubling at best, but doesn’t seem to be written with the care that i see go into stuff that usually deals with these issues. and it’s been grossing me out since january and i’m too pissed to pretend or stay quiet about it anymore. it’s popular enough that it can withstand one tumblr person ripping her flower off and stomping on it and shouting her head off…
i tried to remember everything i typed but i know i forgot some stuff. i was on my phone and opps there it goes

I get triggered to hell but the masochist obsessive academic side of my brain forces to read it to verify what I already suspected/know UGH someones going to ask me why I read it that’s your answer also my ex best friend got me to read the original version back in the summer/fall i can deal with the first 10 chs and the original ending hell I even kinda liked it but every ch since the author decided to continue it has been worse and worse and worse I don’t know WHY it’s happening I would talk about it with the author but after that poor kid got their comments repeatedly deleted NO THANK YOU NOW I REFUSE also please get an editor as a former editor I feel like they might not be aware editors /exist/ being an editor sucked btw i type so badly on line as a form of rebellion against my former profession and kinda current profession too

Thanks for responding to me! Oh gosh I felt like such a dork fest after I looked and was like are we mutual follows oh crap maybe this is WHY and yeah.
I’m hoping I don’t get shit for this too because both cleanwhiteroom and elementals and other Designations follow me but I think it’s important to be critical of popular fiction, especially when it’s hard. Nothing is problem free, because people are flawed.
Designations reminds me a lot of this Sherlock series called The Paradox Series about Sherlock and John being together and it was (intentionally) a lot darker than the show and the prose was gorgeous but the characters were, well. Not themselves. It was compelling and interesting, but it wasn’t the show. I think Designations is in a similar vein- it’s pretty to look at and compelling, and I would read updates of it in a heartbeat, but it’s not the characters. I view it as an alternate universe, essentially its own fandom separate from the film, and I didn’t really stop to think that most people might…not view it that way, which is shortsighted of me.
The thing is, I think it can be so easy to become intoxicated by fictional relationships where characters need each other because people like feeling needed and they like other people to need them. And in a story that’s so extended like Designations is, I feel like a lot of the plot gets a bit…lost? I like fake boyfriends and I like slow burn and I like quiet reflective moments and I like talking about science so I kind of looked past how people might view this relationship as incredibly problematic. And even triggering to some. A story that is triggering should be tagged. I feel like if it was tagged, people would read the story a little differently, but it’s so long and the dynamic is so common and the story is so buried in prose that I feel people kind of look past it.
Also, I honestly feel like people get taken in by the complex prose with $20 words and think “best.” I know I am easily drawn in by that, because I don’t have the ability to write dense prose, and so I am interested by people who can. But Newt and Hermann don’t talk like that and never have in canon.
And the thing also that I have some beef with is that for all the science talk it doesn’t really go anywhere? I’m a scientist and I’m writing a story right now in the Pacific Rim universe that involves scientific papers and analyses. I want the scientists in fandom to write extensively about K-science and J-tech and statistical modeling and oceanic cleanup because I think it’s important and fascinating and cleanwhiteroom seems intelligent, inspired me to feel like if I didn’t get everything right in my own story that people would see through the cracks so I did lots of research and I’m still doing lots of research. But yet in 240K there’s nothing? Cleanwhiteroom doesn’t have to write anything she doesn’t want to, that is her right as an author, but I still find it to be disappointing.
And of all things, it was weird to see someone call the fic “cute adorable science husbands” because that’s not the fic I’ve been reading since I started reading it a few months ago. In fact, if it was, I wouldn’t really be reading it because my interpretation of them is fun but an underlying intensity in both characters that’s not really portrayed often anyway. And not really in this story either.
Of all people, I really feel like I should have noticed because I have been in an emotionally dependent/abusive relationship before, several years ago, and when it ended it was one of the most painful periods of my entire life but I still couldn’t catch it in fiction.
The only issue that I took with accusations of queerbaiting was that for a very long time I assumed the story was about a long term asexual relationship, because in over 200K no one ever talked about having sex with each other. I don’t know if it’s necessarily fair to slap it with that label because for many people, relationships without sex is their truth? And I feel like that fits under the Newt/Hermann tag just fine. I actually read a really great ace Newmann fic called Lorenz Attractor the other day, and it struck me how rare good fic about asexual people really is.
 But definitely in this chapter all of a sudden everyone wanted to get naked? And I was like ok I mean I like naked but where is this coming from guys.
I’m sorry this is getting so long and kind of is rambling on and on. Thanks for responding to me again!

but I think it’s important to be critical of popular fiction, especially when it’s hard. Nothing is problem free, because people are flawed.
thank you, man. a lotta the reason that i’ve been biting my fucking tongue off is bc fandon tends to have this attitude that like, ok lets reblog all the rhetoric that promotes the idea that fic is a valid form of literature, but let’s also hugbox the fuck outta fic writers bc THEYRE DOING THIS FOR FREE, YOU DON’T HAVE A RIGHT TO CRITIQUE IT, yeah dood, i DO, like, send hate? no. actually analyze a piece of lit?? yeAH
i’ve been trying to figure OUT if it would ever be acceptable for me to do this tho and like. i dunno man. i just lost it today. i stopped giving a fuck about getting lynched over voicing an unpopular opinion and started caring more about just…speaking my mind.
and everything’s been cool so far……………..
still waiting for the other shoe to drop, then again, i’ll be fucking READY FOR IT, so it’s cool. i’m ready to defend my position!!!! (i wanted that to sound academic but it sounds like im playing some kinda sport looool)
so, that’s an improvement over the shit that went down with that person whose comments got deleted. that troubled me so deeply, i thought i was repressed into silence forever bUT NOEP FUCK IT, THE FLUX—AND—FLOW CAPACITY FOR LOSING HER FLOWER OVERRIDES ALL ELSE 
Designations reminds me a lot of this Sherlock series called The Paradox Series about Sherlock and John 
dude. i JUST heard about this fic for the first time yesterday from one of my best friends who was drawing the same comparison. i’m not a johnlocker but yeah you guys raised THE SAMe points about it and im deeply troubled by it
another fucking aside here but like???? that’s why i’m been ANALYZING this fic for so fucking long. i’ve been RESEARCHING it, it feels like. like i said, about fic being a form of lit? pacrim isn’t sherlock. we can’t have a fic like this ascend to the level of fame it HAS and not address it. if we never see warner bros release another piece of pacrim related text ever AGAIN, THIS FIC WILL LIKELY BE THE MOST POPULAR NEWMANN FIC IN THE ENTIRE FANDOM. i didn’t crunch the numbers on this one, but i’m guessing it might be safe to assume it’s the mot popular pr fic IN GENERAL. most popular ship and all, makes sense. 
oh yup
look
it is
in a lotta categories …. p much dominates every newmann fic sorting too
like you said. this fic is so popular, IT HAS IT’S OWN FANDOM. i absolutely wold say someone could be into DCWT and never touch pacrim in their lives - the characters arent the same, the story is barely related, it’s not them
yeah, yeah, i know - don’t like, don’t read, right?
…except …yeah. this is THE MOST conscientious fandom i have EVER been in. and somehow, this fic, which doesn’t represent ANYTHING of the fandom, is likely to be THE transformative work this fandom is remembered for. 
…and…everyone? universally loves it?? no one finds this fic STRANGE? that’s its run parallel to pacrim fandon ALL THIS TIME, and has SKYROCKETED to fame recently (understandably, ppl are bored, t’s a fic that’s still being updated, moths to the flame, etc etc) and it’s universally. loved. and it’s good? and it’s perfect? 
nope. ofc nothing is but. nope. 
i can’t help but get …sick…when i realize that like…this …could be it….
this isn’t some small fic that has like, kinks in it i don’t like. it’s wildly, widely successful, and i’m troubled about what the authorial intent is here. this is a fic that openly mocks ITS AUDIENCE, via newt’s pseudo-schizophrenia that manifests as the Greek chorus of “kids” in his head who “hiss” for him to finally fuck hermann liKE EVERY CHAPTER, EVEN MID MAKEOUT LIKE………   . ..  …   …..
this…fic is…really …..si…ck and i wonder if people…uh…get that? i mean, props to the author for doing so many fucked up things in this fic but wow. WOW. 
(also can i yell about that for a sec bc i kno YOU really care about neuroatypical ppl in media as much as I DO and i feel like our voices/experiences often get stomped on in the larger pool of disability and abelism related convos on tumblr,and that’s WHY we started following each other, to talk about it, so like newt’s deteriorating mental state that NO ONE IN TEXT IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT ANYMORE, which is unbelievably offensive, that he’s developing schizophrenia but it’s ~cool~ and ~dark~ and ~tragic~ in this fic. thanks for taking ONE OF THE ONLY POSITIVE MENTALLY ILL ROLE MODELS WE FUCKING HAVE IN MEDIA AND /BREAKING HIM INTO A MILLION LITTLE PIECES/ ffffffff running outta flowers here an i’ve barely gotten started) 
I think Designations is in a similar vein- it’s pretty to look at and compelling, and I would read updates of it in a heartbeat, but it’s not the characters. I view it as an alternate universe, essentially its own fandom separate from the film, and I didn’t really stop to think that most people might…not view it that way, which is shortsighted of me.
naw dude this p much clarifies to me the dissonance (i feel like i cant use that word after this fic but fuck the police) between like, how i was seeing it from the outside vs how its fans were seeing it. it’s not a pacric fic to me at all at this point. hell, the LAST CH felt like a FANFIC of the first 26 chs. it’s…yeah…i can see why ppl are mentally putting it over on its own table bc HOW do you reconcile it with pacrim fandom at large?? HOW DO YOU RECONCILE IT WITH THE CANON???? 
And in a story that’s so extended like Designations is, I feel like a lot of the plot gets a bit…lost?
does designations have a plot? i’m not tryna be snarky, that’s a legit question. i don’t think it does at this point - a lotta ppl feel that way, they’re just mum about it. does anyone else feel it does at this point? the first chs did - “get the fuck outta dodge” was essentially the plot. what is it now? hope newt doesn’t break? wait for him to break?? WHAT IS IT???? 
Also, I honestly feel like people get taken in by the complex prose with $20 words and think “best.” […] But Newt and Hermann don’t talk like that and never have in canon.
/HUGS YOU SO HARD THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS SO WELL.
i mean…CWR can…do whatever the fuck they want…they can write a pr fic that isn’t pr…but …why…advertise it the way they have? lbr, how you tag a fic, how you list it on ao3 at all, is your advertisement. it’s not a pacrim newmann fic. fiction influenced by pacrim? sure. so yeah, it is a fic, but it wouldn’t be such a big deal to ADVERTISE IT THAT WAY. i wouldn’t take it so to heart, like “Why are you destroying my fave otp and my fave characters NO ONE ELSE IN THE FANDOM DOES THIS!!!!  WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS!!!!” hysteria if i knew that it was …an AU, i guess is the words im looking for. 
the science is utter nonsense too. the fucking hashtag-accuracy thing is even nonsense. newt being in death cab for cutie scientist band makes no sense. HERMANN GOTTLIEB, THE SUPREME GENIUS BADASS OF MY HEART, WHO GETS FUCKED OVER BY NO ONE, GETTING TRAPPED IN A CODEPENDENT PARASITIC RELATIONSHIP WITH A NARCISSIST WHERE HE ACTS AS THE ENABLER MAKES. NO. SENSE. NONE OF THIS FIC MAKES SENSE. IM SORRY. IT NEEDED TO BE SAID.
The thing is, I think it can be so easy to become intoxicated by fictional relationships where characters need each other because people like feeling needed and they like other people to need them. […] so I kind of looked past how people might view this relationship as incredibly problematic. And even triggering to some [but] the story is so buried in prose that I feel people kind of look past it. Of all people, I really feel like I should have noticed because I have been in an emotionally dependent/abusive relationship before, [but] but I still couldn’t catch it in fiction.
i kinda made a quote here outta your own words and joined together two diff thoughts you had bc a) you’re a really good writer b) this was powerful and on point and c) see…how you missed it? 
see how everyone’s missed it? see how people get trapped in these relationships in real life and don’t notice? i’ve been in them - i just not only got out of one this year, i just LEARNED what it was in the first place. it’s hard for us to notice problems in the media. i think everyone on tumblr is more aware of that then most ppl alive today. it’s even harder when it’s something, like i said in my original post, that is not only GLORIFIED in current pop media works, but is already such an insidious form of abuse, most of the time, both abuser AND victim don’t even know what they’re doing. i don’t think dcwt!newt nor dcwt!hermann know what they’re doing. i’m going to go ahead and say it - i don’t think CWR does either, but i CERTAINLY don’t think DCWT fandom does.
i don’t think you guys are stupid :( i think you’re getting hurt by smt that even I FELL FOR. i want to inform. i can’t stand to see this happen and NO ONE SAYS A WORD ABOUT IT. this fic has the farthest reaching audience of any fic in the fandom. it’s a fic some people are introduced to the fandom on. it have weight and value, and therefore, its fair for someone to criticize it - and it’s done enough to warrant it. i honestly feel like it’s my duty at this point. i know most people don’t see things like i do. i uh… have an interesting brain…lol. but so many people have told me in private that i should be saying this stuff PUBLICLY, and already it seems to have helped you with some uncomfortable feelings, a few others who wanted to stay private, so…glad to help. i didnt want anyone to feel alone in this, or weird. not when i think there’s some answers to it all. 
i think DCWT is written the way it is bc it’s what sells rn. bc it passed for a slow burn, for fake!boyfriends trope, bc it delivers on the psychologically sick romance 21st century readers lust for. 
it doesn’t FEEL like it’s done out of a passionate authorial intent - the last ch certainly didn’t. sometimes i feel like i’m being hunted by that greek chorus. like this fic is just here to fuck with me. with all of us…it doesn’t seem to have a plot. or a point. it’s just distressing. 
interesting and polemic choice of a narrative style, sure, but…why?
the fact that, as you pointed out too, it just flew out of the queerbaiting/is-this-asexual? territory into BAM LETS FUCK well later, we DO still have another chapter to go, was…surreal. 
ofc, like everyone else, i’m jut gonna have to wait for the last ch. i’m hoping one of them leaves the other. and i should never have to say that about my otp, in a fucking FIC, that should just be for fun, but its probably because it hits so close home, and that i worry so much for the people who have been through the same, like you, who are reading this as romance when it should read as poison. 

I have nothing to add to this at the moment that hasn’t already been said eloquently and passionately by flux and biohazardgirl but I’m so glad this discussion is occurring because it needs to be happening - we have a responsibility to ourselves and each other to be aware of the problematic content of both the things we love and the content that is produced from it.  Fandom by it’s very nature is not passive so we should not sit passively by when things happen that upset or disturb us in our fandoms.
So thank you ladies for bringing this discussion out from the shadows and into the light where others can see it, thank you for being braver than me, thank you for refusing to stay quiet.  The door is open and a light is being shined where it needs to be shined - the silence is hopefully over.  Let’s keep talking.

Kind of reblogging this for me to come back and read later as I got… maybe nine or ten chapters in to Designations? So I’m still in the honeymoon phase right now and am enjoying it.
However, I am quite caught at the reasoning that we aren’t allowed to critique these types of things? Like… really? It’s a form of media that people are having an emotional and intellectual reaction to, of COURSE you can critique it. I mean, it’s quite obvious here everyone is keeping in mind that the other is a PERSON, and from what I read through, everyone is still being fairly respectful.
And honestly discussion is a grand thing. There are ideas in my writing I want to try out, and it’s quite uplifting knowing that there are people to catch me on things, and that I can read up on what are points of contention or concord there are.
That said…
this is a fic that openly mocks ITS AUDIENCE, via newt’s pseudo-schizophrenia that manifests as the Greek chorus of “kids” in his head who “hiss” for him to finally fuck hermann liKE EVERY CHAPTER, EVEN MID MAKEOUT LIKE………   . ..  …   …..
This is troubling and I am disappointed over a part I haven’t even gotten to yet. Which, well, I suppose it’s a big flashing neon sign about what to avoid, as the descent in to a sort of schizophrenia is a big part of one of the stories I’m trying to work on.
Bluh, well, long post is staying long so I can easily read it later once I get farther along in the fic. I have a feeling I’ll agree but be somewhat forgiving as, yeah, the “$20 words” do woo me in a way. But we shall see. (But again, there shouldn’t be a stigma about commentary/critique over this. Especially something like DCWT that, like was said, has practically it’s own fandom. Some of us dream of that kind of following for their work.)

So….I loved DCwT for its levels of emotion and the literary-ness of its story but I do believe its important to read things critically and these are valid points of view. 
I will only say that I read it rather than OOC, I saw it more as a gradual development in the character over time. By the end of the fic the characters are very different from the film and that was ok with me since I saw the shift happen gradually throughout the fic.
I can’t speak to the romanticizing of co-dependency because I didn’t read it that way but I can see how it still can read that way and so thats a valid critique. I think dysfunctional co-dependent relationships are something that interest CWR since that features in all of her fics to some degree(probably the least so in Mathematique where the mental deterioration is less romanticized and more a matter of great concern to people ill equipped to handle the situation). Force over Distance is about a very close and difficult co-dependent relationship that is at times very dysfunctional and harmful and other times very sweet.
I can’t possibly address every point in this post and I won’t try. I’m not part of the neuroatypical people who might have found this story upsetting so I can’t really address that in a fully informed way.
I did just message somebody asking for specifics of what precisely in this story was triggering for people since I’ve been writing a Newmann fic and I’ve been worried about things being not tagged enough in terms of triggers and I don’t want to upset anybody. If somebody wants to explain things to me in depth please feel free to message me. I hope its ok if I maybe dont agree on everything but I will certainly be polite. I’m trying to be more …I guess informed is the word? sensitive? when it comes to topics that I don’t fully understand….Yeah I’m interested if anybody wants to talk?

wildninjapanda:

the-oxford-english-fangirl:

flux—and—flow:

biohazardgirl:

flux—and—flow:

WAIT I ACCIDENTALLY DELETED MY WHOLE RESPONSE HANG ON

Oh yeah oh yeah it was always DARK (hell i like dark things too!!! they just have to be done with a certain conscientiousness you know?) but i feel it def changed after the original ending (i think that was ch 11?) and got very twisted and dark.

my original response was a bit longer, that was my mistake i accidentally deleted it opps, lemme think. yeah i dunno i feel like EVERYONE blindly loves it, you know? the fic itself doesn’t really deal with the dark stuff well, it fetishizes mental instability at times, and the codependency is really AWFUL, and the whole thing feels really OOC to me - i can’t remember the last time it felt remotely IC. i get that it’s some kinda AU at this rate, i just don’t understand why it exists? with THESE characters?

the thing is that, i’m afraid that it’s going to start moving into fanon territory, and like, this is my favorite fandom, and these are NOT the characters, and no one else posts about he fact that it triggers the fuck outta them, that i know for a fact that this fic legitimately DISTRESSES people who weren’t expecting it to be as messed up as it is, and no one else speaks out about it, so FINE I WILL i’m tired no not saying anything.

i’m not trying to be really disrespectful and i hope that i can discuss this with people in a way that still gets my points across. thanks for even considering my opinion!! you’re a smart person and i’ve really respected a lotta things you’ve said on this site, and thanks for taking the time to try to see it from my POV. i honestly do have a bit of a problem with articulation sometimes, so please, open call for anyone who feels they need me to explain them a thing better, just ask, i’ll try. I’ll do aLL THE THING

everyone who follows me knows i analyze the HELL outta everything, there’s not a thing on earth i don’t over analyze, so ofc i’m gonna see it from a diff perspective than most, and certainly, than a fan, its just…….its a piece of literature like anything else and i think that its legitimate to say you wanna analyze it, and that it’s troubling at best, but doesn’t seem to be written with the care that i see go into stuff that usually deals with these issues. and it’s been grossing me out since january and i’m too pissed to pretend or stay quiet about it anymore. it’s popular enough that it can withstand one tumblr person ripping her flower off and stomping on it and shouting her head off…

i tried to remember everything i typed but i know i forgot some stuff. i was on my phone and opps there it goes

I get triggered to hell but the masochist obsessive academic side of my brain forces to read it to verify what I already suspected/know UGH someones going to ask me why I read it that’s your answer also my ex best friend got me to read the original version back in the summer/fall i can deal with the first 10 chs and the original ending hell I even kinda liked it but every ch since the author decided to continue it has been worse and worse and worse I don’t know WHY it’s happening I would talk about it with the author but after that poor kid got their comments repeatedly deleted NO THANK YOU NOW I REFUSE also please get an editor as a former editor I feel like they might not be aware editors /exist/ being an editor sucked btw i type so badly on line as a form of rebellion against my former profession and kinda current profession too

Thanks for responding to me! Oh gosh I felt like such a dork fest after I looked and was like are we mutual follows oh crap maybe this is WHY and yeah.

I’m hoping I don’t get shit for this too because both cleanwhiteroom and elementals and other Designations follow me but I think it’s important to be critical of popular fiction, especially when it’s hard. Nothing is problem free, because people are flawed.

Designations reminds me a lot of this Sherlock series called The Paradox Series about Sherlock and John being together and it was (intentionally) a lot darker than the show and the prose was gorgeous but the characters were, well. Not themselves. It was compelling and interesting, but it wasn’t the show. I think Designations is in a similar vein- it’s pretty to look at and compelling, and I would read updates of it in a heartbeat, but it’s not the characters. I view it as an alternate universe, essentially its own fandom separate from the film, and I didn’t really stop to think that most people might…not view it that way, which is shortsighted of me.

The thing is, I think it can be so easy to become intoxicated by fictional relationships where characters need each other because people like feeling needed and they like other people to need them. And in a story that’s so extended like Designations is, I feel like a lot of the plot gets a bit…lost? I like fake boyfriends and I like slow burn and I like quiet reflective moments and I like talking about science so I kind of looked past how people might view this relationship as incredibly problematic. And even triggering to some. A story that is triggering should be tagged. I feel like if it was tagged, people would read the story a little differently, but it’s so long and the dynamic is so common and the story is so buried in prose that I feel people kind of look past it.

Also, I honestly feel like people get taken in by the complex prose with $20 words and think “best.” I know I am easily drawn in by that, because I don’t have the ability to write dense prose, and so I am interested by people who can. But Newt and Hermann don’t talk like that and never have in canon.

And the thing also that I have some beef with is that for all the science talk it doesn’t really go anywhere? I’m a scientist and I’m writing a story right now in the Pacific Rim universe that involves scientific papers and analyses. I want the scientists in fandom to write extensively about K-science and J-tech and statistical modeling and oceanic cleanup because I think it’s important and fascinating and cleanwhiteroom seems intelligent, inspired me to feel like if I didn’t get everything right in my own story that people would see through the cracks so I did lots of research and I’m still doing lots of research. But yet in 240K there’s nothing? Cleanwhiteroom doesn’t have to write anything she doesn’t want to, that is her right as an author, but I still find it to be disappointing.

And of all things, it was weird to see someone call the fic “cute adorable science husbands” because that’s not the fic I’ve been reading since I started reading it a few months ago. In fact, if it was, I wouldn’t really be reading it because my interpretation of them is fun but an underlying intensity in both characters that’s not really portrayed often anyway. And not really in this story either.

Of all people, I really feel like I should have noticed because I have been in an emotionally dependent/abusive relationship before, several years ago, and when it ended it was one of the most painful periods of my entire life but I still couldn’t catch it in fiction.

The only issue that I took with accusations of queerbaiting was that for a very long time I assumed the story was about a long term asexual relationship, because in over 200K no one ever talked about having sex with each other. I don’t know if it’s necessarily fair to slap it with that label because for many people, relationships without sex is their truth? And I feel like that fits under the Newt/Hermann tag just fine. I actually read a really great ace Newmann fic called Lorenz Attractor the other day, and it struck me how rare good fic about asexual people really is.

 But definitely in this chapter all of a sudden everyone wanted to get naked? And I was like ok I mean I like naked but where is this coming from guys.

I’m sorry this is getting so long and kind of is rambling on and on. Thanks for responding to me again!

but I think it’s important to be critical of popular fiction, especially when it’s hard. Nothing is problem free, because people are flawed.

thank you, man. a lotta the reason that i’ve been biting my fucking tongue off is bc fandon tends to have this attitude that like, ok lets reblog all the rhetoric that promotes the idea that fic is a valid form of literature, but let’s also hugbox the fuck outta fic writers bc THEYRE DOING THIS FOR FREE, YOU DON’T HAVE A RIGHT TO CRITIQUE IT, yeah dood, i DO, like, send hate? no. actually analyze a piece of lit?? yeAH

i’ve been trying to figure OUT if it would ever be acceptable for me to do this tho and like. i dunno man. i just lost it today. i stopped giving a fuck about getting lynched over voicing an unpopular opinion and started caring more about just…speaking my mind.

and everything’s been cool so far……………..

still waiting for the other shoe to drop, then again, i’ll be fucking READY FOR IT, so it’s cool. i’m ready to defend my position!!!! (i wanted that to sound academic but it sounds like im playing some kinda sport looool)

so, that’s an improvement over the shit that went down with that person whose comments got deleted. that troubled me so deeply, i thought i was repressed into silence forever bUT NOEP FUCK IT, THE FLUX—AND—FLOW CAPACITY FOR LOSING HER FLOWER OVERRIDES ALL ELSE 

Designations reminds me a lot of this Sherlock series called The Paradox Series about Sherlock and John

dude. i JUST heard about this fic for the first time yesterday from one of my best friends who was drawing the same comparison. i’m not a johnlocker but yeah you guys raised THE SAMe points about it and im deeply troubled by it

another fucking aside here but like???? that’s why i’m been ANALYZING this fic for so fucking long. i’ve been RESEARCHING it, it feels like. like i said, about fic being a form of lit? pacrim isn’t sherlock. we can’t have a fic like this ascend to the level of fame it HAS and not address it. if we never see warner bros release another piece of pacrim related text ever AGAIN, THIS FIC WILL LIKELY BE THE MOST POPULAR NEWMANN FIC IN THE ENTIRE FANDOM. i didn’t crunch the numbers on this one, but i’m guessing it might be safe to assume it’s the mot popular pr fic IN GENERAL. most popular ship and all, makes sense. 

oh yup

look

it is

in a lotta categories …. p much dominates every newmann fic sorting too

like you said. this fic is so popular, IT HAS IT’S OWN FANDOM. i absolutely wold say someone could be into DCWT and never touch pacrim in their lives - the characters arent the same, the story is barely related, it’s not them

yeah, yeah, i know - don’t like, don’t read, right?

…except …yeah. this is THE MOST conscientious fandom i have EVER been in. and somehow, this fic, which doesn’t represent ANYTHING of the fandom, is likely to be THE transformative work this fandom is remembered for. 

…and…everyone? universally loves it?? no one finds this fic STRANGE? that’s its run parallel to pacrim fandon ALL THIS TIME, and has SKYROCKETED to fame recently (understandably, ppl are bored, t’s a fic that’s still being updated, moths to the flame, etc etc) and it’s universally. loved. and it’s good? and it’s perfect? 

nope. ofc nothing is but. nope. 

i can’t help but get …sick…when i realize that like…this …could be it….

this isn’t some small fic that has like, kinks in it i don’t like. it’s wildly, widely successful, and i’m troubled about what the authorial intent is here. this is a fic that openly mocks ITS AUDIENCE, via newt’s pseudo-schizophrenia that manifests as the Greek chorus of “kids” in his head who “hiss” for him to finally fuck hermann liKE EVERY CHAPTER, EVEN MID MAKEOUT LIKE………   . ..  …   …..

this…fic is…really …..si…ck and i wonder if people…uh…get that? i mean, props to the author for doing so many fucked up things in this fic but wow. WOW. 

(also can i yell about that for a sec bc i kno YOU really care about neuroatypical ppl in media as much as I DO and i feel like our voices/experiences often get stomped on in the larger pool of disability and abelism related convos on tumblr,and that’s WHY we started following each other, to talk about it, so like newt’s deteriorating mental state that NO ONE IN TEXT IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT ANYMORE, which is unbelievably offensive, that he’s developing schizophrenia but it’s ~cool~ and ~dark~ and ~tragic~ in this fic. thanks for taking ONE OF THE ONLY POSITIVE MENTALLY ILL ROLE MODELS WE FUCKING HAVE IN MEDIA AND /BREAKING HIM INTO A MILLION LITTLE PIECES/ ffffffff running outta flowers here an i’ve barely gotten started) 

I think Designations is in a similar vein- it’s pretty to look at and compelling, and I would read updates of it in a heartbeat, but it’s not the characters. I view it as an alternate universe, essentially its own fandom separate from the film, and I didn’t really stop to think that most people might…not view it that way, which is shortsighted of me.

naw dude this p much clarifies to me the dissonance (i feel like i cant use that word after this fic but fuck the police) between like, how i was seeing it from the outside vs how its fans were seeing it. it’s not a pacric fic to me at all at this point. hell, the LAST CH felt like a FANFIC of the first 26 chs. it’s…yeah…i can see why ppl are mentally putting it over on its own table bc HOW do you reconcile it with pacrim fandom at large?? HOW DO YOU RECONCILE IT WITH THE CANON???? 

And in a story that’s so extended like Designations is, I feel like a lot of the plot gets a bit…lost?

does designations have a plot? i’m not tryna be snarky, that’s a legit question. i don’t think it does at this point - a lotta ppl feel that way, they’re just mum about it. does anyone else feel it does at this point? the first chs did - “get the fuck outta dodge” was essentially the plot. what is it now? hope newt doesn’t break? wait for him to break?? WHAT IS IT???? 

Also, I honestly feel like people get taken in by the complex prose with $20 words and think “best.” […] But Newt and Hermann don’t talk like that and never have in canon.

/HUGS YOU SO HARD THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS SO WELL.

i mean…CWR can…do whatever the fuck they want…they can write a pr fic that isn’t pr…but …why…advertise it the way they have? lbr, how you tag a fic, how you list it on ao3 at all, is your advertisement. it’s not a pacrim newmann fic. fiction influenced by pacrim? sure. so yeah, it is a fic, but it wouldn’t be such a big deal to ADVERTISE IT THAT WAY. i wouldn’t take it so to heart, like “Why are you destroying my fave otp and my fave characters NO ONE ELSE IN THE FANDOM DOES THIS!!!!  WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS!!!!” hysteria if i knew that it was …an AU, i guess is the words im looking for. 

the science is utter nonsense too. the fucking hashtag-accuracy thing is even nonsense. newt being in death cab for cutie scientist band makes no sense. HERMANN GOTTLIEB, THE SUPREME GENIUS BADASS OF MY HEART, WHO GETS FUCKED OVER BY NO ONE, GETTING TRAPPED IN A CODEPENDENT PARASITIC RELATIONSHIP WITH A NARCISSIST WHERE HE ACTS AS THE ENABLER MAKES. NO. SENSE. NONE OF THIS FIC MAKES SENSE. IM SORRY. IT NEEDED TO BE SAID.

The thing is, I think it can be so easy to become intoxicated by fictional relationships where characters need each other because people like feeling needed and they like other people to need them. […] so I kind of looked past how people might view this relationship as incredibly problematic. And even triggering to some [but] the story is so buried in prose that I feel people kind of look past it. Of all people, I really feel like I should have noticed because I have been in an emotionally dependent/abusive relationship before, [but] but I still couldn’t catch it in fiction.

i kinda made a quote here outta your own words and joined together two diff thoughts you had bc a) you’re a really good writer b) this was powerful and on point and c) see…how you missed it? 

see how everyone’s missed it? see how people get trapped in these relationships in real life and don’t notice? i’ve been in them - i just not only got out of one this year, i just LEARNED what it was in the first place. it’s hard for us to notice problems in the media. i think everyone on tumblr is more aware of that then most ppl alive today. it’s even harder when it’s something, like i said in my original post, that is not only GLORIFIED in current pop media works, but is already such an insidious form of abuse, most of the time, both abuser AND victim don’t even know what they’re doing. i don’t think dcwt!newt nor dcwt!hermann know what they’re doing. i’m going to go ahead and say it - i don’t think CWR does either, but i CERTAINLY don’t think DCWT fandom does.

i don’t think you guys are stupid :( i think you’re getting hurt by smt that even I FELL FOR. i want to inform. i can’t stand to see this happen and NO ONE SAYS A WORD ABOUT IT. this fic has the farthest reaching audience of any fic in the fandom. it’s a fic some people are introduced to the fandom on. it have weight and value, and therefore, its fair for someone to criticize it - and it’s done enough to warrant it. i honestly feel like it’s my duty at this point. i know most people don’t see things like i do. i uh… have an interesting brain…lol. but so many people have told me in private that i should be saying this stuff PUBLICLY, and already it seems to have helped you with some uncomfortable feelings, a few others who wanted to stay private, so…glad to help. i didnt want anyone to feel alone in this, or weird. not when i think there’s some answers to it all. 

i think DCWT is written the way it is bc it’s what sells rn. bc it passed for a slow burn, for fake!boyfriends trope, bc it delivers on the psychologically sick romance 21st century readers lust for. 

it doesn’t FEEL like it’s done out of a passionate authorial intent - the last ch certainly didn’t. sometimes i feel like i’m being hunted by that greek chorus. like this fic is just here to fuck with me. with all of us…it doesn’t seem to have a plot. or a point. it’s just distressing. 

interesting and polemic choice of a narrative style, sure, but…why?

the fact that, as you pointed out too, it just flew out of the queerbaiting/is-this-asexual? territory into BAM LETS FUCK well later, we DO still have another chapter to go, was…surreal. 

ofc, like everyone else, i’m jut gonna have to wait for the last ch. i’m hoping one of them leaves the other. and i should never have to say that about my otp, in a fucking FIC, that should just be for fun, but its probably because it hits so close home, and that i worry so much for the people who have been through the same, like you, who are reading this as romance when it should read as poison. 

I have nothing to add to this at the moment that hasn’t already been said eloquently and passionately by flux and biohazardgirl but I’m so glad this discussion is occurring because it needs to be happening - we have a responsibility to ourselves and each other to be aware of the problematic content of both the things we love and the content that is produced from it.  Fandom by it’s very nature is not passive so we should not sit passively by when things happen that upset or disturb us in our fandoms.

So thank you ladies for bringing this discussion out from the shadows and into the light where others can see it, thank you for being braver than me, thank you for refusing to stay quiet.  The door is open and a light is being shined where it needs to be shined - the silence is hopefully over.  Let’s keep talking.

Kind of reblogging this for me to come back and read later as I got… maybe nine or ten chapters in to Designations? So I’m still in the honeymoon phase right now and am enjoying it.

However, I am quite caught at the reasoning that we aren’t allowed to critique these types of things? Like… really? It’s a form of media that people are having an emotional and intellectual reaction to, of COURSE you can critique it. I mean, it’s quite obvious here everyone is keeping in mind that the other is a PERSON, and from what I read through, everyone is still being fairly respectful.

And honestly discussion is a grand thing. There are ideas in my writing I want to try out, and it’s quite uplifting knowing that there are people to catch me on things, and that I can read up on what are points of contention or concord there are.

That said…

this is a fic that openly mocks ITS AUDIENCE, via newt’s pseudo-schizophrenia that manifests as the Greek chorus of “kids” in his head who “hiss” for him to finally fuck hermann liKE EVERY CHAPTER, EVEN MID MAKEOUT LIKE………   . ..  …   …..

This is troubling and I am disappointed over a part I haven’t even gotten to yet. Which, well, I suppose it’s a big flashing neon sign about what to avoid, as the descent in to a sort of schizophrenia is a big part of one of the stories I’m trying to work on.

Bluh, well, long post is staying long so I can easily read it later once I get farther along in the fic. I have a feeling I’ll agree but be somewhat forgiving as, yeah, the “$20 words” do woo me in a way. But we shall see. (But again, there shouldn’t be a stigma about commentary/critique over this. Especially something like DCWT that, like was said, has practically it’s own fandom. Some of us dream of that kind of following for their work.)

So….I loved DCwT for its levels of emotion and the literary-ness of its story but I do believe its important to read things critically and these are valid points of view. 

I will only say that I read it rather than OOC, I saw it more as a gradual development in the character over time. By the end of the fic the characters are very different from the film and that was ok with me since I saw the shift happen gradually throughout the fic.

I can’t speak to the romanticizing of co-dependency because I didn’t read it that way but I can see how it still can read that way and so thats a valid critique. I think dysfunctional co-dependent relationships are something that interest CWR since that features in all of her fics to some degree(probably the least so in Mathematique where the mental deterioration is less romanticized and more a matter of great concern to people ill equipped to handle the situation). Force over Distance is about a very close and difficult co-dependent relationship that is at times very dysfunctional and harmful and other times very sweet.

I can’t possibly address every point in this post and I won’t try. I’m not part of the neuroatypical people who might have found this story upsetting so I can’t really address that in a fully informed way.

I did just message somebody asking for specifics of what precisely in this story was triggering for people since I’ve been writing a Newmann fic and I’ve been worried about things being not tagged enough in terms of triggers and I don’t want to upset anybody. If somebody wants to explain things to me in depth please feel free to message me. I hope its ok if I maybe dont agree on everything but I will certainly be polite. I’m trying to be more …I guess informed is the word? sensitive? when it comes to topics that I don’t fully understand….Yeah I’m interested if anybody wants to talk?

willowwish:

So I never posted my finished Garnet cosplay. Sowwy~ I get so excited during cons, I never really take formal pictures.

brigidkeely:

cypheroftyr:

iridessence:

iridessence:

PLEASE REBLOG THIS: Is there anyone in the Chicagoland area that wants a dog? I can no longer keep our dog Dablund because I’m going to live on campus.
He looks to be a poodle mix and I estimate that he is around 4 years old, give or take a few months. He loves attention, doesn’t seem to like other male dogs or small children and needs a family/owner with lots of patience.
I have more pictures upon request and I’m not asking for anything for him. If you can pick him up, that would be ideal. In a few days he’ll be given to a shelter.

UPDATE: in order to avoid him getting into the hands of people looking to make a quick buck by selling him to a testing shelter, I’m charging $25 for him. But if I know your tumblr well enough, he will be free.

OMG he looks like the dog I had growing up! She was a lab/cockerspaniel mix. Unfortunately I can’t take him, but signal boosting for local peeps who might be looking for a pup. 
Hopefully he won’t have to go to a shelter. Signal boost please!

I have a small child or I’d be tempted. Any Chicago folks looking for a cute dog?

brigidkeely:

cypheroftyr:

iridessence:

iridessence:

PLEASE REBLOG THIS: Is there anyone in the Chicagoland area that wants a dog? I can no longer keep our dog Dablund because I’m going to live on campus.

He looks to be a poodle mix and I estimate that he is around 4 years old, give or take a few months. He loves attention, doesn’t seem to like other male dogs or small children and needs a family/owner with lots of patience.

I have more pictures upon request and I’m not asking for anything for him. If you can pick him up, that would be ideal. In a few days he’ll be given to a shelter.

UPDATE: in order to avoid him getting into the hands of people looking to make a quick buck by selling him to a testing shelter, I’m charging $25 for him. But if I know your tumblr well enough, he will be free.

OMG he looks like the dog I had growing up! She was a lab/cockerspaniel mix. Unfortunately I can’t take him, but signal boosting for local peeps who might be looking for a pup. 

Hopefully he won’t have to go to a shelter. Signal boost please!

I have a small child or I’d be tempted. Any Chicago folks looking for a cute dog?

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So my senior friends wanted to do one thing before they graduated…

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I have watched this 15 times and I need more

as a drummer, i can confirm that this is how we spend free time

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Officer Bennett from Orange Is The New Black takes a shower. For the love of all that is holy, watch the entire 48 seconds. Bless.

Jesus Christ it was WORTH IT

I’m dying

I AM SCREAMINGGGGGGGGGGGG.

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Beautiful.

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Beautiful.

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Request for allyspock

Ahah… probably not as intense as you were hoping for but they’re going over some new lyrics Newt wrote, yeah!

biolabs:

Request for allyspock

Ahah… probably not as intense as you were hoping for but they’re going over some new lyrics Newt wrote, yeah!

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Imagine if all your awful typos were real things

I’m quite enraptured by Pacific Tim